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	<title>Comments on: Yes, I know Astro is out. Seriously.</title>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.returnundefined.com/2008/05/yes-i-know-astro-is-out-seriously#comment-22504</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Glenn but if a site is aimed at a small community what is it doing in an aggregator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Glenn but if a site is aimed at a small community what is it doing in an aggregator?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.returnundefined.com/2008/05/yes-i-know-astro-is-out-seriously#comment-22496</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 08:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can't agree I'm afraid.

that's the point of using an aggregator, and the reason i tend not to.

many peoples blogs are aimed at small communities with very specific subjects and it's only at times of major announcements that this problem occurs.

I think it's a slight over reaction to think that 35 posts talking about such an import release is excessive.

i suppose there were just a lot of excited people out there.

glen williams
tinylion uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t agree I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s the point of using an aggregator, and the reason i tend not to.</p>
<p>many peoples blogs are aimed at small communities with very specific subjects and it&#8217;s only at times of major announcements that this problem occurs.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a slight over reaction to think that 35 posts talking about such an import release is excessive.</p>
<p>i suppose there were just a lot of excited people out there.</p>
<p>glen williams<br />
tinylion uk</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.returnundefined.com/2008/05/yes-i-know-astro-is-out-seriously#comment-22490</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Most of the sites didn't seem to be simple hit-seeking opportunists, but actual bloggers who generally focus on the Adobe ecosystem. For people in that category I think they just need to exercise some self restraint and good judgment. We all like traffic to our sites but I feel like you have to draw the line somewhere.

For the cases that are merely traffic whores, I think maybe a more thorough approval process for getting on the aggregation list could help. I don't know specifically how sites are evaluated today, and I am sure that is a low priority task within Adobe but I think it could help.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Most of the sites didn&#8217;t seem to be simple hit-seeking opportunists, but actual bloggers who generally focus on the Adobe ecosystem. For people in that category I think they just need to exercise some self restraint and good judgment. We all like traffic to our sites but I feel like you have to draw the line somewhere.</p>
<p>For the cases that are merely traffic whores, I think maybe a more thorough approval process for getting on the aggregation list could help. I don&#8217;t know specifically how sites are evaluated today, and I am sure that is a low priority task within Adobe but I think it could help.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn right.
So, Flash Player 10 is out, huh? Nice, let me blog about this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn right.<br />
So, Flash Player 10 is out, huh? Nice, let me blog about this!</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://www.returnundefined.com/2008/05/yes-i-know-astro-is-out-seriously#comment-22481</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. But do you see a way we can improve things?

The downside of an aggregator is that it becomes an attraction for those who seek more attention. If there aren't feedback mechanisms to penalize words which weren't worth the reading, then self-promoters will gradually drive out those who are in it for the news value. We've seen it happen with Digg, Techmeme, many sites.

But social feedback mechanisms are tricky. On political blogs, for instance, there will be incentive to mod-down competitors, or inconvenient questioners. And those modded-down will naturally want to push back.

I'm sure there's a solution, but I don't see it clearly yet. Ideas...?

tx, jd/adobe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. But do you see a way we can improve things?</p>
<p>The downside of an aggregator is that it becomes an attraction for those who seek more attention. If there aren&#8217;t feedback mechanisms to penalize words which weren&#8217;t worth the reading, then self-promoters will gradually drive out those who are in it for the news value. We&#8217;ve seen it happen with Digg, Techmeme, many sites.</p>
<p>But social feedback mechanisms are tricky. On political blogs, for instance, there will be incentive to mod-down competitors, or inconvenient questioners. And those modded-down will naturally want to push back.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a solution, but I don&#8217;t see it clearly yet. Ideas&#8230;?</p>
<p>tx, jd/adobe</p>
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		<title>By: Boubalou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boubalou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.</description>
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		<title>By: senocular</title>
		<link>http://www.returnundefined.com/2008/05/yes-i-know-astro-is-out-seriously#comment-22473</link>
		<dc:creator>senocular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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